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Hallo.

Ein Freund von mir und ich habe bisher nach der 8. Edition gespielt. Vor kurzem sind wir über die Regeln der inoffiziellen 9. Edition gestolpert.

 

Liest sich soweit echt gut. Vorteil ist schonmal dass man soweit alle Einheiten nutzen kann, auch welche die in der normalen 8. Noch nicht da waren. Und alle Bücher sind kostenlos.

Wir haben und mal direkt ein paar Softcoverbücher drucken lassen.

Hat da schon jemand Erfahrungen mit gemacht?

Spielt ihr regelmäßig mit den Regeln? Gibts dafür einen eigenen Forenbereich?

Ich freue mich über eure Antworten!

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb McScratchy:

Gibts dafür einen eigenen Forenbereich?

 

Nein, dieser existiert zum gegenwärtigen Zeitpunkt nicht, da Spieler des WAP rar gesät sind. In früheren Jahren war der User Ankhalagon sehr engagiert und hat sogar einen Newsthread erstellt. Es würde sich indes anbieten, das Unterforum der Community-Projekte mit einem entsprechenden Thread zu versorgen - ich würde daher anbieten, Deinen Thread zu verschieben, sodass er im eben genannten Unterforum fortgesetzt werden kann und dort etwas Prominenz erhält.

 

Ich habe mich kürzlich mit einem anderen User ausgetauscht, der sich mit dem WAP beschäftigt. Leider kann ich mich nicht mehr entsinnen, um wen es sich dabei handelte. Ich werde aber gerne einen Aufruf veröffentlichen, in dem ich auf Deinen Thread aufmerksam mache und interessierte User einlade, sich mit Dir auszutauschen. :)

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Meine Krieger und ich stehen bereit, um jeden zu überrennen, der Widerstand leistet!

Projekte: Die Krieger des ungeteilten Chaos, Der Marsch der Legionen (Chaos Space Marines), Die Streitmacht Heinrichs des Verteidigers (Bretonia)

Schlachtberichte: Tholons Weg zum ewigen Ruhm (Krieger des Chaos), Itriels ewiger Krieg (Chaos Space Marines)

Wege zur Verdammnis - eine Erzählung chaotischen Ausmaßes...

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vor 44 Minuten schrieb McScratchy:

Du kannst gerne den Thread zum einen verschieben und zum anderen darauf aufmerksam machen. 

 

Done and done. :ok:

 

Ich habe ferner den Threadtitel an den zu erwartenden Inhalt angepasst. Das sollte es anderen WAP-Spielern erleichtern, auf den Thread auch zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt aufmerksam zu werden.

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Meine Krieger und ich stehen bereit, um jeden zu überrennen, der Widerstand leistet!

Projekte: Die Krieger des ungeteilten Chaos, Der Marsch der Legionen (Chaos Space Marines), Die Streitmacht Heinrichs des Verteidigers (Bretonia)

Schlachtberichte: Tholons Weg zum ewigen Ruhm (Krieger des Chaos), Itriels ewiger Krieg (Chaos Space Marines)

Wege zur Verdammnis - eine Erzählung chaotischen Ausmaßes...

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Danke für das Teilen. Sieht auf jeden Fall sehr interessant aus, auch wenn ich grade, durch Mitspieler bedingt, bei AoS bin. Bei mir bleibt aber alles auf Eckbases.

Vergangene Projekte:

P500 2013/2014 Gruftkönige von Khemri (gescheitert) P500 2014/2015 Herr der Ringe Harad (gescheitert), Herr der Ringe 2 - Diverses (nicht Harad) (gescheitert): Mein Mal Thread. P500 2015/2016 Herr der Ringe P500 2016/2017 Neues aus Mittelerde Sommerprojekt 2017 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 2 P250 2017/2018 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 3 P250 2018/2019 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 4 Sommerprojekt 2019 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 5 P250 2019/2020 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 6 Sommerprojekt 2020 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 7

Aktuell: P250 2020/2021 Neues aus Mittelerde - Teil 8

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Auf Englisch!

Unterschiede zur 8. Edition, Chronologisch durchs Regelbuch:

 

Basic Rules:

  • Re-roll: You may re-roll a re-roll if you have two special rules at different power levels that would otherwise cancel each other out.
  • Leadership tests: Psychology tests added.
  • Forming Units: A unit may not have more ranks than they have files, e.g. if the unit is 5 models wide, it may at most have 5 ranks. The exception to this is if the unit is too wide to pass in between terrain or units; in these situations, the unit may temporary reform into a formation with more ranks than files for as long as it takes to pass the terrain or unit.
  • Unit Strength (US) added. This is used to determine the overall size and power of each model for purposes like ranks, charging, flanking and so on.
  • Line of Sight: For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace an unblocked line from the front arc of its base to the base of the target. However, models with a larger Unit Strength can see and be seen behind models or terrain with a lower Unit Strength.


 

Fighting a Battle:

  • The Battlefield: Included suggested rules for how to place terrain.
  • Deployment: All War Machines, Characters and units costing less than 50 points must be placed at the same time.

 

Movement:

  • 1" Apart: You may pivot on the spot with your unit, as long as it does not end its movement within 1" of a unit or impassable terrain. If pivoting would cause you to come into base contact with another unit or impassable terrain, you must move your model back so that it is still 1" away from these after your pivot.
  • Redirecting the Charge: If the target unit declares a Flee reaction, or gets destroyed for any reason, you may try to redirect its charge. If this second unit also flees, you can instead choose to default back to charging the original fleeing unit. You no longer need to pass a Ld in order to redirect charges.
  • Calculating Charge Range: A unit's charge range is the sum of its Move value and a 2D6 roll (where you pick the highest score rolled) in inches. With the unit's charge range established, measure the distance between the charging unit and its target unit at their closest points in an uninterrupted line between them.
  • Aligning to the Enemy: The only exception to the charger aligning to the target is if a unit with less than Unit Strength 5 is charged by a unit with Unit Strength 10 or more. In this case, the charged unit will align to the charging unit, rather than the other way around.
  • Charging a Fleeing Enemy: If the charging unit has less than Unit Strength 10, the fleeing unit suffers one Wound with no saves of any kind allowed for each point of Unit Strength the charging unit has. If any models survive, the charging unit then stops 1" behind the remains of the unit.
  • Rally Fleeing Units: If the fleeing unit has been reduced in size to a quarter (25%) or less of the number of models with which it began the game, it's Leadership value is halved.

 

Magic:

  • Choosing Spells: To determine the Wizard's spells, consult the chosen lore and choose the spells you want for your Wizard. The spell that can be chosen depend on the Level of your wizard. Spells may be taken in duplicates if all other spells from that lore are already taken.
  • Signature Spells: Regardless of a Wizard's Level, they always know the Signature spell of a lore in addition to any other spells they have chosen – even if another Wizard in the same army already knows the Signature spell. If a Wizard can take spells from multiple lores, they may at most have two different Signature Spells in total. Note that Wizards that do not get to choose their spells, either due to knowing only a few specific spells or having them as Bound Spells, do not get the Signature spell from the Lore(s) they are using.
  • Roll for the Winds of Magic: The number of dice is increased for each 2000 points you increase the game size with after 2000 points, so at 4000 points you roll 4D6, at 6000 points you roll 6D6 and so on.
  • The Power Pool: Removed limit of 12 dice in the pool.
  • Channelling Power Dice: The casting player rolls a D6 for each Wizard level in their army. For each result of 5 or 6, the Wizard generate another power dice.
  • Channelling Dispel Dice: Roll a D6 for each Wizard level in their army. For each roll of a 6, add an extra dispel dice to the pool. 
  • Spell Types: Magical vortex spells may not be used in such a way that they affect friendly models or enemies in close combat when initially cast.
  • Choose Number of Power Dice: The number of dice each Wizard can use to cast each spell is determined by their Wizard Level+2.
  • Casting Value: For a spell to be cast, the total of the dice rolled, added to the Wizard's level divided by half, must equal or beat the spell's casting value.
  • Boosted Spells: If you roll high enough so that the casting value of the boosted version of the spell is reached, you may choose whether you want to cast the standard or boosted version of the spell.
  • Broken Concentration: If the total of the natural dice scores is 1 or 2, not only is the spell not cast, but the Wizard breaks their concentration and is unable to cast/dispel spells for the rest of the Magic phase. You may still cast spells if the spell otherwise just fails to reach the casting value.
  • Irresistible Force replaced with Ultimate Power: For every natural 6 rolled when casting a spell, you automatically have to roll an additional 'free' power dice to boost the casting value even further.
  • Miscasts: If two or more unmodified 1's are rolled when casting a spell, it has been Miscast. Add the total number of dice used to cast the spell to the number rolled on the D6 and consult the Miscast table. Extended Miscast Table with plenty of new results.
  • Dispel Value: For a dispel to succeed, the total of the dice rolled, added to the Wizard's level divided by half, must equal or beat the spell's casting result.
  • Ultimate Power: For every natural 6 rolled when dispelling a spell, you automatically get to roll an additional 'free' dispel dice to boost the dispel value even further, just like you do when casting.
  • Duplicate Spells: A single unit may never be affected by the same spell effect more than once at any one time, such as casting the same Augment or Hex spell twice at a target in one round.
  • Casting Bound Spells: Whenever you attempt to cast a Bound Spell from a Magic Item (but not 'innate' Bound Spells), you may add one free Power dice to the casting roll.


 

Shooting:  

  • Shooting into Combat: If a unit is within 4" of an unengaged arc of an enemy unit in close combat, it may attempt to fire at them. For each '1' rolled when rolling to Hit, a missile manages to go awry and hit the friendly unit instead. You are only allowed to fire into combat if the target is at Unit Strength 5 or more.
  • Firing at Long Range penalty removed.
  • Firing at Short Range: Any shots taken at an enemy that is closer than 4" gain a +1 shooting modifier.

 

Close Combat: 

  • Who can Strike: You may always direct attacks against normal rank and file models, as long as the model is in base contact with any model of the enemy unit (including characters and command group models). If a model has more than one Attack and find itself in base contact with two or more enemies with different characteristic profiles, it must choose which one to attack when its turn to strike comes (before any dice are rolled)
  • Horde rule removed.
  • Striking Order: Models that charged the same turn add +1 to their Initiative.
  • Roll to Hit: Models with more than twice the WS of their opponent will hit on a 2+.
  • Charge!: If your unit charged this turn and has Unit Strength 5 or more, it receives +1 combat result. This is cumulative with several units charging the same target at once.
  • Extra Ranks: Rank Bonus is cumulative with several units engaged in the same close combat, calculating ranks for each unit, as long as they are engaged in different arcs of the enemy unit. 
  • Disruption: A unit does not receive combat result points for extra ranks and cannot be Steadfast as long as it is disrupted. A unit is disrupted if an enemy is attacking it in the flank or rear, and that enemy unit has Unit Strength 10 or more.
  • Outnumber: If your unit have twice or more the Unit Strength of your enemy, add +1 to the combat result. 
  • Standard: Standard Bearer bonus is cumulative with several units engaged in the same close combat, each with their own standard bearer.
  • Flank Attack: Unit Strength 5 is required for Flank bonus. If an enemy unit is engaged in both flanks, you receive +2 to the combat result.
  • Rear Attack: Unit Strength 5 is required for Rear bonus. 
  • High Ground: If you are charging or fighting from a higher position than your enemy, for example, your troops are occupying the crest of a hill or charged down from it the same turn, you receive +1 combat result.
  • Overkill: If a character fighting in a challenge kills their opponent and scores more wounds than their enemy has remaining, then each excess wound scores +1 combat result, up to a maximum of +3.
  • Steadfast: Steadfast units always take Break tests on their own Leadership characteristic (unless their normal modified Leadership would normally be higher from another source). 
  • Insane Courage removed.
  • Caught!: If the pursuing unit has less than Unit Strength 10, the fleeing unit suffers one Wound with no saves of any kind allowed for each point of Unit Strength the pursuing unit has.
  • Overrun: If you charge an enemy and they are wiped out before the Close Combat phase (by a spell or template weapon for instance), you can choose to either Overrun or Reform From Victory (unless the unit has made any other moves this turn outside of the Movement phase).
  • Multiple Combats and Break Tests: In a combat involving multiple units, you will first need to calculate the total combat resolution score for all units involved on both sides to determine the overall winner of that round of combat. After this, the Break test modifier for each unit on the losing side is to be calculated separately and compared to the combined combat resolution score of only the enemy units they are in base contact with, not any other friendly units involved in the combat. . Units on the losing side whose combat resolution score is equal to or higher than the combined resolution score of all the enemy units they are in base contact with do not need to take any break test, but instead counts as fighting to a draw. In addition, no unit on the losing side will suffer a negative modifier greater than the overall loss of their side, even if that unit itself might have a much lower combat resolution score than the units they are in base contact with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Special Rules:  

  • Always Strikes First: if the model's Initiative is higher than their enemy's, they can re-roll failed To Hit rolls when striking in close combat 
  • Always Strikes Last: if the model's Initiative is lower than their enemy's, they must re-roll successful To Hit rolls when striking in close combat.
  • Ambushers: A unit with the Ambushers rule can choose to not deploy at the start of the battle. For every Core unit that deploys as Ambushers in your army, you are required to include at least one other Core Unit that does not deploy using the Ambushers rule.
  • Animated Construct special rule added. Animated Constructs have the Unbreakable and Immunity (Poisoned Attacks) special rules. However, they may not march or use stand and shoot as a charge reaction. Animated Constructs can never be affected by Hatred or Frenzy.
  • Armour Piercing: Armour Piercing is cumulative with other sources of Armour Piercing. Added Ignores Armour saves. If a model has this rule, no armour saves may be taken at all, unless otherwise noted.
  • Breath Weapons: A model with a Breath Weapon can use it to make a special attack once per shooting or close combat phase. After it has been used the first time, you must roll a 4+ each time before attempting to use it again In close combat, you can choose between attacking normally and using the Breath Weapon. Breath Weapon attacks in close combat cannot hit any single model more than once.
  • Expendable rule added. Models with this special rule do not cause Panic to friendly units that are not Expendable themselves. No character may join a unit with this rule.
  • Fast Cavalry: Unless it charges, a Fast Cavalry unit is allowed to reform twice during its move without losing any Movement; once before they move, and at the end of their move. A unit of Fast Cavalry armed with missile weapons can choose Fire and Flee as a charge reaction. If a Fast Cavalry unit is joined by a non-cavalry character or a Cavalry character with an armour save higher than 5+, the unit loses the rule until the character leaves. Cavalry with an armour save better than 5+ and/or barding cannot use the Fast Cavalry special rule. A unit of Fast Cavalry that chooses Flee or Fire & Flee as a charge reaction does not cause Panic from fleeing through friendly units and automatically rally in its next Compulsory Movement Phase.
  • Fear: Units in base contact with one or more models that cause Fear suffer -1 to their Leadership characteristic (including units that are Steadfast). If the majority of the models in a unit cause Fear, they also gain the Immunity (Fear) special rule (described later), and thus ignore the -1 Leadership penalty. 
  • Fight in Extra Ranks: This rule is cumulative with other sources of Fight in Extra Ranks.
  • Fly: Clarified that any equipment or special rules that affect the model's regular Movement will also affect its Fly move, unless specified. 
  • Flammable: If a model with the Flammable rule is attacked with a Flaming Attack, all failed To Wound rolls made by the attackers may be re-rolled. They do not suffer double wounds from Flaming Attacks.
  • Hatred: Models with Hatred must re-roll successful rolls to restrain from pursuit against enemies they have Hatred against. If a unit would gain Hatred in a round of close combat after the first for any reason, treat this as the first round of combat for that purpose.
  • Hidden special rule added (this works the same for all kinds of Assassins).
  • Ice Attacks added. Models with the Ice Attacks special rule cause all models in base contact with them to be subject to the Always Strikes Last special rule.
  • Immunity (*) added, replaces Immune to Psychology and covers all immunities like Flaming, Poison, Killing Blow, Fear Panic, etc. If the majority of the models in a unit have the Immunity (Panic, Fear or Terror) rule, the unit ignores the effects of Panic, Fear or Terror and any such tests it would otherwise had to take. Immunity (Psychology) allows units to automatically pass Psychology tests. 
  • Impact Hits: Unless specified, any special rules that apply to the model’s normal attacks do not apply to its Impact Hits.  
  • Killing Blow: Against Monstrous Infantry, Monstrous Cavalry and Monsters, a successful Killing Blow only inflicts one Wound which Ignores Armour saves. Against other troop types, it has no effect.
  • Large Target: Large Targets cannot claim cover modifiers from units and/or terrain with a Unit Strength less than 3.
  • Lightning Attacks added. Lightning have the Ignores Armour saves special rule against all armour types except Natural Armour.
  • Loremaster: A Wizard with the Loremaster special rule knows all the available spells from their chosen lore (limited by their Wizard level as normal). 
  • Magical Attacks added, describes what effects are magical etc.
  • Magic Resistance: A model with Magic Resistance gains a bonus to dispel enemy spells directly targeting it (not including templates that are placed on top of it) as well as its Ward saves against damage caused by spells. Magic Resistance works against all spells, including ones that does not allow saves
  • Monsters and Handlers special rule has been replaced with Mixed Unit
  • Move or Fire: Mounted models with Move or Fire weapons may still move and fire, but they will suffer an additional -1 To Hit if they do so, unless specified. 
  • Multiple Shots: All models in a unit (excluding characters) must fire either single or Multiple Shots.
  • Poisoned Attacks: A model with the Poisoned Attacks special rule gets a +1 modifier to any To Wound rolls.  
  • Quick To Fire: Quick to Fire weapons may be used one per turn when declaring a charge, if the models firing is within their missile weapon's maximum range before making their charge move.
  • Random Attacks: Units with Random Attacks roll once for the whole unit, rather than per model (Characters being the exception).
  • Regeneration: A model with the Regeneration special rule is permitted a special regenerate saving throw after it has failed any armour save or ward save it may have. However, any Wounds caused against a model with Regeneration still counts towards Combat Resolution, regardless of whether it has been saved or not.
  • Scaly Skin renamed to Natural Armour
  • Sea Creature replaced with Aquatic.
  • Skirmishers: Skirmishers may be fielded in formations of less than five models wide, as long as they do not have more ranks than files. Skirmishers (except models with the Fly special rule) have the Vanguard deployment special rule. If skirmishers declare a charge (or a charge reaction that does not involve fleeing) they tighten their loose formation into a 'normal' formation after the charge distance is rolled and the chargers are moved. Unless it charges, a skirmishing unit is allowed to reform twice during its move; once before they move, and at the end of their move. Skirmishers follow the rules for Feigned Flight.
  • Sniper: Removed mention of Champions. You can use Multiple Shots with Sniper. 
  • Stomp: Clarified that unless specified, any special rules that apply to the model’s normal attacks do not apply to its Stomps. Stomps can be used after Breath Weapons.
  • Strength Bonus (*) added. Models with this special rule gain a Strength bonus equal to the number in the brackets in the first round of each new close combat they are involved in. 
  • Strider: Models with the Strider rule treat that piece of terrain as open ground for the purposes of Movement.
  • Stubborn: If the majority of the models in a unit are Stubborn, the unit is always Steadfast, whether or not they have a higher Unit Strength than their enemy or are disrupted. 
  • Stupidity: If the test is failed, it moves directly forwards using the Random Movement (D6) special rule.
  • Stupidity: Models are not Immune to Psychology by default. If the test is failed, it moves directly forwards using the Random Movement (D6) special rule.
  • Swiftstride: When charging, units entirely made of models with the Swiftstride special rule and Movement 7 or higher roll 3D6, discard the lowest result, and add the result to their Movement value. When fleeing or pursuing, they roll 3D6.When charging, units entirely made of models with the Swiftstride special rule and Movement 6 or lower roll 2D6, and add the result to their Movement value. When fleeing or pursuing, they roll 3D6, and discard the lowest result.
  • Stomp: A Stomp has the Always Strikes Last special rule, and inflicts D6 (or D3 against lone Infantry models and skirmishers) automatic hits. Thunderstomp removed.
  • Terror: Models that cause Terror also cause Fear, but with a -2 Leadership characteristic penalty rather than -1. If a unit wishes to declare a charge against an enemy that causes Terror, it must take a test to overcome its terror first. 
  • Unbreakable: Characters that are Unbreakable may only join units that are also Unbreakable, and characters that are not Unbreakable are not permitted to join units that are Unbreakable
  • Unstable: If an Unstable unit would normally be eligible to be Steadfast, they instead suffer 1 less Wound than they would normally do.
  • Vanguard: After both sides have deployed all their other forces, units with the Vanguard special rule can immediately make a move up to 6" (12" in the case of Cavalry). A Vanguard move does not count as moving for the purpose of shooting in the first turn. If a character is deployed as part of a unit with the Vanguard special rule, that unit can still make its Vanguard move if the character in question has the Vanguard special rule or is a model on foot.
  • Volley Fire: Weapons with this rule allow the unit to fire with all ranks within range as long as at least one model in the unit can draw Line of Sight to the target. However, if they do so, they suffer -1 To Hit. Volley Fire cannot be used if the target is within half the weapon's maximum range. Volley Fire adds a -1 penalty to any cover a unit might have (except buildings).
  • Ward Saves: May be combined with other types of Ward saves. No model may have a Ward save better than 4+ by combining multiple Ward saves.
  • Dodge rule added under Ward saves. Models with this rule gain the Ward save (*) against attacks in its front arc (including templates). This cannot be used against Magical Attacks that Hit automatically or that have the Always Strikes First special rule, nor can it be used by mounted models, unless specified.
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Troop Types:  

  • Models and Base Size: Each Troop Type has different approved base sizes.
  • Monstrous Infantry: No longer have Stomp. Have Swiftstride.
  • Cavalry: Any equipment or magic items the model might have only apply to the rider, not the mount. When attacking a Cavalry model, always use the highest Toughness and Wounds value available from either the rider or the mount. Models no longer receive an armour save for being mounted.
  • Swarms: Have the Expendable special rule. They are considered to be Unit Strength 0 for the purpose of Line of Sight, and other models can fire through them at targets behind them with no To Hit penalty.
  • Warbeasts: Have the Expendable special rule.
  • Monstrous Beasts: No longer have Stomp.
  • Monsters: Have Swiftstride. Added rules for Ridden Monsters & Split Profile. The crew can fire in 360 degrees around them, rather than only firing at targets within their front arc.
  • Chariots: Included rules for chariot ranks. The crew can fire in 360 degrees around them, rather than only firing at targets within their front arc. When moving, the chariot model always uses the Movement characteristic of the beasts, although as the beasts are encumbered by the chariot chassis, a chariot suffer -1 to its Movement value, and can only manoeuvre using wheeling. Many Chariots have an armour save detailed in their army list entry, which is combined with any armour the crew might have.
  • Shrines (Sh) added a unit type, replaces Unique Units.

 

Weapons and Armour:  

  • Hand Weapon: If a model is armed with another weapon besides their hand weapon, they must use this at all times, unless specified. This also applies to models armed with shields.
  • Parry moved to Ward saves under special rules. Cannot be used against attacks that are twice the Strength of the Parrying model's own Strength. Frenzied models may Parry.
  • Morning stars removed.
  • Halberd renamed to Polearm
  • Great weapons: Add +1 Strength, have the Strength Bonus (1) special rule. Gives -2 Initiative instead of Always Strikes Last. 
  • Spears: Have Strength Bonus (1) and +1 Initative in turns the model is charged to its front. Strength Bonus only applies against WB, Ca, MI, MB, MC, Ch and Mo.
  • Pikes added: Have Strength Bonus (1) and +3 Initative in turns the model is charged to its front. Strength Bonus only applies against WB, Ca, MI, MB, MC, Ch and Mo. Have Fight in Extra Ranks (3).
  • Spears (Mounted): Have +1 Initiative in turns that the model charges, and only against the unit they charged.  
  • Lances (Mounted): Have +2 Initiative in turns that the model charges, and only against the unit they charged.   
  • Two/additional hand weapons: Have the Parry (6+) rule.
  • Shortbow/Bow/Longbow: Have the Multiple Shots (2) special rule. Only applies in turns the model has not moved, and cannot be used to Stand and Shoot.
  • Repeater crossbows removed.
  • Blowpipe added: Range 12", Strength 1, Multiple Shots (2), Quick to Fire, Poisoned Attacks.
  • Javelin: Have Armour Piercing (1).
  • Throwing Weapon: Have Multiple Shots (2).
  • Sling: Have Armour Piercing (1).
  • Medium armour added: Gives 5+ armour save.
  • Heavy armour: Gives 4+ armour save.
  • Full plate armour added: Gives 3+ armour save.
  • Shields: Infantry armed with shields get an additional +1 to their armour save against missile attacks to their front. No Troop Type gains any armour saves from shields against missile attacks to their rear.
  • Bucklers added: Gives Parry (5+), 6+ armour save in combat.
  • Barding: When charging, pursuing or fleeing, deduct -1 to from the result of the distance rolled.

 

Command Groups:

  • Champions: A champion cannot be targeted by enemy attacks – they can only be removed as a casualty if there are no other rank-and-file members of their unit left. Champion can no longer issue challenges. A unit that is accompanied by a champion may re-roll failed rolls to march, , reform and restrain from pursuit.
  • Standard Bearers: Removed Last Stand.
  • Musicians allow re-rolling Rally tests instead if +1 modifier.
  • Swift Reform: A unit performing a swift reform may not change their formation by decreasing or increasing their ranks. The unit may only turn on the spot by pivoting like a lone model. No longer requires a Leadership test. 

 

Characters:

  • What Unit Can I Join: A character is not allowed to join a unit made up of a Troop Type with a higher Unit Strength then his own Troop Type, unless specified. A character cannot join a unit of flyers (unless they are also a flyer of the same Troop Type) or a unit of chariots (unless they are also mounted on a chariot)
  • There's No Room: If a character cannot be placed within the front rank of the unit, or beside the front rank if they have a different base size, then they cannot attempt to join that unit until the unit reforms to make more the front rank wide enough.
  • Make Way can only be used to move the character to another position in the front rank; it cannot be used to move the character to a rank in the flank or rear.
  • Combined Units - Shooting: If the character has a different troop type with a higher Unit Strength than the rest of the unit, it possible to target that model separately from the rest of the unit. If so, roll a D6 for each successful Hit on the character; on a 4+, that Hit is allocated to the unit it is with instead. However, this does not apply to Towering units.
  • Look Out Sir!: Look Out Sir! happens automatically, and no roll is required, nor is this considered as a "save" for rules purposes. This only applies to characters in units.
  • Fighting a Challenge: The two characters must direct all of their attacks (except Breath Weapons, Impact Hits and Stomps – these are directed at the unit as normal) against each other.
  • Character Mounts: A chariot mount follows all the rules for Cavalry in regard to Split Profile. Armour saves are combined as normal between rider and monster, but due to the size of the monster, any armour saves taken always fails on a 1 and 2 rather than a 1. If a chariot includes any crew in addition to the character, their armour saves are ignored when calculating the overall armour save of the model – only the character's own armour save is used.
  • Inspiring Presence: If a unit is Steadfast, it may use the Leadership of the General for Break tests if it is higher than their own Leadership after applying all negative modifiers from combat resolution. Otherwise, they will use their own Leadership.
  • Hold Your Ground: Friendly models within 12" of the Battle Standard Bearer re-roll failed Panic and Break tests

 

War Machines:

  • A war machine's Wounds are always considered to be equal to the number of remaining Wounds on the crew models.
  • Shooting with War Machines: Unlike other lone models, pivoting more than 45° to either left or right counts as moving for war machines, and thus they cannot fire in turns they do so.
  • War Machines in Close Combat: War Machines counts as obstacles.
  • Bolt Throwers: Bolt Throwering have Armour Piercing (1) rather than ignoring armour saves. 
  • Cannons : Cannons no longer roll an artillery dice to extend range, but scatter half an artillery dice instead. If a Hit is rolled, the cannon ball lands on target (i.e. where you place the marker). Cannons have a minimum range of 12". Normal Cannons inflicts D6 Wounds only if the cannon ball lands directly on a model (that is, where the marker is placed after the first artillery and scatter dice are rolled), models hit by the bounce only suffer D3 Wounds. Great Cannons inflicts D6 Wounds on both direct hits and the bounce. Obstacles no longer stop cannon balls. Grapeshot now fires an artillery dice + D6 shots.
  • Stone Throwers are now Strength 4 by default.

 

Battlefield Terrain:

  • Mysterious Terrain: By default, no terrain is mysterious. However, players can, if they both agree, choose to play using mysterious terrain.
  • Hills: For Line of Sight purposes, a hill counts as Unit Strength 3 for each 'level' it has. Models standing on top of a hill level add +3 to their Unit Strength for Line of Sight purposes.
  • Forests: For Line of Sight purposes, a forest counts as Unit Strength 5 (forests taller than 8" counts as Unit Strength 10). All units except for Skirmishing Infantry and lone characters on foot suffer -1 penalty to their Movement characteristic in any turn they move through a forest. 
  • Raging Torrent: No longer gives Initiative bonues. Instead models fail their Dangerous Terrain test on a 1-2. 
  • Obstacles: For Line of Sight purposes, an obstacle counts as Unit Strength 0. Models attacking a unit behind an obstacle lose all charging bonuses.
  • Buildings: For Line of Sight purposes, a building counts as Unit Strength 5 for each floor it has. Models add +5 to their Unit Strength for Line of Sight purposes for every floor they are on above the first one. Only infantry, war beasts and swarms can garrison a building. No single model can suffer more than one hit from any template weapon while in a building. 

 

Choosing Your Army:

  • The General: If your army includes one or more Lord choices, than one of the Lords must be chosen to be the Army General. You no longer need to have the character with highest Ld be your general.
  • Minimum Three Units: An army must always include at least three units per 1000 points played in addition to any Lords and Heroes.  
  • Core Units: For every Core unit with the Expendable special rule in your army, you are required to include at least one other Core Unit without the Expendable rule. They otherwise counts towards minimum Core now.
  • Lords & Heroes: You can spend up to 25% of your points on Lords and/or 35% on Heroes, but no more than 35% in total over both categories.
  • Duplicate Choices: Are based on the size of the battle played. If a character has a Monster, Chariot or Shrine mount that is available as a Special or Rare choice, then these will also count towards the limit of duplicate choices.

 

 Allied Armies:

  • If both players agree, you could choose to pick your force from two different armies. Ideally this should be done by both sides so that each player is given an equal chance to build an allied force. Regardless of the number of players, each army must have their own General and Battle Standard Bearer. 
  • Trusted Allies: Trusted allies can use an allied Inspiring Presence or Hold Your Ground! special rule, but only if they are from the same faction.
  • Suspicious Allies: Are not counted as 'friendly' units from the point of view of targeting spells.

 

Victory Conditions:

  • Decimated: Each enemy unit that has half or less of their starting Unit Strength left at the end of the battle is worth a number of victory points equal to 50% of the number of points it cost to include the unit in the army.
  • Broken: Each enemy unit that has more than half of their starting Unit Strength left and that is fleeing but is still on the table at the end of the battle is worth a number of victory points equal to 50% of the number of points it cost to include the unit in the army.
  • Shattered: Each enemy unit that has half or less of their starting Unit Strength left and that is also fleeing but is still on the table at the end of the battle is worth a number of victory points equal to 75% of the number of points it cost to include the unit in the army.
  • Seized Standards: You score an additional 25 victory points for every enemy standard bearer that was removed as a result of a successful pursuit move or slain in combat.
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Lores of Magic:

  • Fireball: Strongest version of Fireball now cast on 15+. 
  • Metallic Attraction (new Lore Attribute): The casting value needed for a Lore of Metal spell is lowered by -1 if the majority of the models in the target unit has light or medium armour, or -2 to if the majority have heavy or full plate armour. 
  • Searing Doom: Causes D6 hits with the Ignores Armour saves and Flaming Attacks special rules. The To Wound score is equal to the unmodified armour save of the target (excluding Natural Armour)
  • Plague of Rust: Does not affect Natural Armour.
  • Gehenna's Golden Hounds: Ignores Look Out sir, is resolved at Strength 5.
  • Regrowth: Cating value lowered to 9+.
  • The Flock of Doom: Causes 3D6 Strength 2 hits, 6+ to cast.  
  • Transformation of Khadon: Cast on 13+, can only change into one profile for simplicity. The Monster profile from Transformation of Khadon now has WS6, S6, T6, W6. Wounds suffered between transformations are not carried over.
  • Fate Manipulation (new Lore Attribute): When a spell from the Lore of Heavens is successfully cast, roll a D6; on a 4+, the Wizard can re-roll one dice to either change the casting result or the number of Hits inflicted by a spell when casting further spells for the remainder of this Magic phase. 
  • Iceshard Blizzard: The target suffers a -1 to their Weapon Skill, Ballistics Skill and Leadership until the start of the caster's next Magic phase. This is an Ice Attack. 
  • Urannon's Thunderbolt and Chain Lightning are Lightning Attacks, increased casting value.
  • Exorcism: If a spell from the Lore of Light inflicts a number of hits on an enemy unit, it will cause an extra D6 hits (e.g. 2D6 hits would become 3D6 hits) if the target has the Undead, Vampiric or Daemonic special rule.
  • Shem's Burning Gaze: Boosted version 12+ to cast. 
  • The Speed of Light: The target unit has the Always Strikes First special rule until the start of the caster's next Magic phase.
  • Smoke and Mirrors: After a spell from the Lore of Shadow is successfully cast and resolved, the casting Wizard can choose to immediately make a move using the Fly special rule up to 12" as if it were the Remaining Moves sub-phase, even if they are in close combat.
  • Steed of Shadows: Can only be cast on Infantry characters. In addition, the target will counts as being Ethereal for the purpose of resolving missile attacks against it until the start of the caster's next Magic phase.
  • Penumbral Pendulum: Extend a straight line, 24" in length, directly away from the caster. 
  • Life Leeching: For each 6 rolled on these additional dice, the Wizard immediately adds a dice to their army's power pool.

 

Magic Items:

  • Magic Weapons: Unless otherwise stated, a magic weapon is treated as a hand weapon (replacing the model's regular hand weapon), and follows the rules for such. Can use Parry with shields and additional hand weapon. Paired Weapon is replaced with additional hand weapon/two hand weapons.
  • Magic Armour: In order for a model to be able to choose a particular piece of armour (such as heavy armour or a shield) they must be able to pick this (or another armour that gives a better save value) as a mundane option or have it be part of their default equipment. Magic armours that are not specified as suits or shields (such as helmets, gauntlets and so on) can always be worn by models that are allowed to wear any non-magical armour.
  • Dragon Blade added: Any successful To Hit rolls in close combat with this sword are multiplied into 2 Hits.
  • Giant Blade 45 pts.
  • Sword of Bloodshed 45 pts.
  • Ogre Blade 30 pts.
  • Sword of Strife 30 pts.
  • Fencer's Blades 25 pts.
  • Spellthieving Sword removed.
  • Sword of Battle 15 pts.
  • Berserker Sword 15 pts.
  • Shrieking Blade 15 pts.
  • Blade of Sea Gold added: A character using this blade gains the Armour Piercing (3) special rule.
  • Obsidian Blade 40 pts.
  • Bone Blade added: Attacks made with the Bone Blade have the Multiple Wounds (D3) special rule.
  • Relic Sword: Attacks made with the Relic Sword will always wound on a 3+, unless they would normally need a lower result. 20 pts.
  • Sword of Fortitude added: The character, and any unit they are with, gains the Immunity (Psychology) special rule.
  • Parrying Blade added: The character wielding this blade gains the Parry (5+) special rule.
  • Sword of Might 15 pts.
  • Blade of Slicing added: A character using this blade gains the Armour Piercing (2) special rule.
  • Venom Sword added: Attacks made with the Venom Sword have the Poisoned Attacks special rule.
  • Biting Blade 10 pts.
  • Armour of Fortune is a medium armour.
  • Trickster's Helm 35 pts.
  • Helm of Discord 20 pts.
  • Shield of Ptolos 20 pts.
  • Dragonhelm: The wearer has the Immunity (Flaming Attacks) special rule.
  • Gambler's Armour is a medium armour.
  • Enchanted Shield 10 pts.
  • Obsidian Lodestone 30 pts.
  • Obsidian Amulet 20 pts.
  • Obsidian Trinket 10 pts.
  • Opal Amulet 15 pts, works on a 2+.
  • Lucky Trinket can be used to re-roll an armour save or Ward save.
  • Book of Ashur 60 pts.
  • Feedback Scroll 35 pts.
  • Siverjir's Hex Scroll 35 pts.
  • Forbidden Rod 25 pts.
  • Wand of Jet 20 pts.
  • Forbidden Rod 25 pts.
  • Trickster's Shard 20 pts.
  • Channelling Staff 30 pts.
  • Dispel Scroll is no longer an auto-dispel, instead you get 6 dispel dice to use for that dispel roll, can now be used on remains in play spells.
  • Loremaster's Tome added: The Wizard knows one additional spell from those normally allowed to them.
  • Wizard's Staff added: The Wizard's Staff allows the bearer to use one more dice than they are normally allowed to when casting a spell.
  • Luckstone added: One use only. Once per battle, the bearer can re-roll all of the dice rolled to cast or dispel a spell. This can effectively cancel a miscast result, and cause Ultimate Power or a miscast.
  • Wizarding Hat 75 pts.
  • Crown of Command 40 pts.
  • Ruby Ring of Ruin 35 pts.
  • Arabyan Carpet 25 pts. Can only be used by Infantry on foot.
  • Healing Potion 30 pts.
  • Potion of Strength, Toughness and Speed give +D3 to stats, 10 pts.
  • Orb of Thunder added. Bound Spell, Power Level 4. Remains in play. The Orb of Thunder contains a hex spell that effects all models with the Fly special rule. When cast, no models may use their Fly special rule and must move on the ground at their normal Movement rate.
  • Battle Banner added: A unit with this magic standard adds +D6 to combat resolution, rolled each time it is used.
  • Banner of Might added. A unit with this magic standard causes Terror in its enemies.
  • Rampager's Standard 35 pts.
  • Razor Standard 30 pts.
  • Standard of Shielding added: A unit with this magic standard gains a Ward save (6+) against missile attacks.
  • Dread Banner added: A unit with this magic standard causes Fear.
  • Standard of Arcane Warding added: A unit with this magic standard gains the Magic Resistance (2) special rule.
  • Ranger's Standard 25 pts.
  • War Banner 20 pts.
  • Banner of Valour added: A unit with this magic standard gains the Immunity (Panic) special rule.
  • Banner of Swiftness: A unit with this magic standard gains the Swiftstride special rule. 20 pts.
  • Banner of Courage added: A unit with this magic standard re-roll failed Break tests.
  • Lichebone Pennant 10 pts.
  • Banner of Duty added: A unit with this magic standard can re-roll any failed Rally test.
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Bei mir ist seit Arkhalagons Thread noch nicht viel geschehen in Sachen WAP. Steht immer noch unter „möchte ich irgendwann mal testen“. Momentan wollen meine Leute aber lieber WCE spielen (und mir ist es auch sehr recht).

 

So vom Lesen her mag ich die WAP-Regeln ganz gern. Sie korrigieren an der 8. den gröbsten Unfug, und die einzelnen Regelentscheidungen für die Einheiten scheinen auch fluffig, mit Maß und Verstand gewählt zu sein. Also aus Sicht von jemandem, der die 6./7. mochte und die 8. nicht mal zugekniffener Nase spielen konnte, lockt mich die WAP-9. immer noch oder wieder, je nach dem, wie man es nun hinstellt.

 

Wenn du also Erfahrungsberichte aus den Spielen hast, oder einfach so Meinungen vom Lesen, hätte ich nichts dagegen, sie hier zu sehen.

(aktuell!) . . . . . . . . . . . .Gruftkönige von Cathay ← Meine Nicht-Khemris

(Letztes Update: August ’23) . . . . . . . . . . . .Die Gesellschaft der Drachen zu Karond-Kar ← Meine Dunkelelfen

(Letztes Update: Juni ’19) . . . . Rabenwacht – Veteranen- und Reservestreikräfte ← Oh ja, ich habe auch ein paar Space Marines

 

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vor 56 Minuten schrieb DanDan:

Kannst du mir sagen wo du deine softcover Bücher gedruckt hast und was der Spaß gekostet hat?

 

Wir haben die bei wir-machen-druck.de drucken lassen. Als Softcover in A5 und SW haben wir 5 Exemplare für 20€ inkl. Versand bestellt. Falls da Interesse besteht PN an mich. Hab auch noch ein paar Fehldrucke abzugeben.

 

Die Armeebücher hab ich in A4 und SW Drucken lassen für um die 13€ inkl. Versand,  das aber woanders

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Hört sich gut an :) ich frag es nochmal nach wenn ich soweit bin. Ein paar Sachen an den Armeebücher gefallen uns nicht ganz so gut. Deshalb ändern w sie noch etwas ab. Zum Beispiel sind normale Orks einfach nicht konkurrenzfähig im Vergleich zu den wildorks. Unsere Lösung ist ihnen einfach die Option auf mittlere Rüstung zu geben. Dadurch halten sie wenigstens etwas besser durch. 
 

@McScratchyHast du die Qualitätskontrolle mitgemacht? Waren die fehldrucke günstiger oder lag das an der fehlenden Kontrolle? Kannst mal ein Bild der Bücher hier posten?

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Schaut auf unseren YouTube Kanal für Schlachtberichte WartableHQ. Wir sind die Erfinder des Battle Tale Formats.

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Die Fehldrucke waren ein Fehler der Druckerei der denen nicht aufgefallen ist. Qualitätskontrolle, anpassen des Layouts usw hab ich selbst gemacht, bzw mir antrainiert für den Druck. In der Druckerei haben die quasi eine Seite doppelt gedruckt, dadurch waren die Seitenzahlen plötzlich innen und nicht außen.

Die Fehldrucke musste ich deswegen garnicht bezahlen und geb diese auch gegen Übernahme der Versandkosten ab.

Bilder sind dabei.

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Huhu sehr cool! Krieg beim lesen schon laune, meine Druchi oder Skaven auszugraben... .

 

Zwei kleine Dinger, die mir beim Lesen auffielen:

Am 15.7.2020 um 20:44 schrieb McScratchy:

Casting Value: For a spell to be cast, the total of the dice rolled, added to the Wizard's level divided by half, must equal or beat the spell's casting value.

Am 15.7.2020 um 20:44 schrieb McScratchy:

Dispel Value: For a dispel to succeed, the total of the dice rolled, added to the Wizard's level divided by half, must equal or beat the spell's casting result.

 

 

Sollte bestimmt "divided by two" heißen, da geteilt durch einhalb gleich multiplizieren mit 2 ist^^

 

Meine bunten Allgemeinprojekte: Avalus Armeen II (aktuell), Avalus Armeen I (Geschlossen)

Spezifische Armeeprojekte: Imperiale Armee Schnelle EingreiftruppeProjekt 500: Orks (Doch nicht im Warp Verschollen)

 

Beste Beschreibung meines Malstils:

"Einen Avalus bauen: Ein Modell kaufen und jede Farbe aus dem Mega-Paintset mal dran ausprobieren, 95% davon fuers Base." Garthor

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Tatsächlich ist divided by half richtig. Die Deutsche Übersetzung dafür ist durch zwei geteilt.

Oder auch in Hälften geteilt.

 

Die Ausarbeitung ist auch nicht von mir sondern von der Website kopiert.

 

Kram deine Skaven aus und spiel mit, ich komme aus dem Ruhrgebiet, wenn wir Mitspieler finden umso besser.

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Ha, wieder was gelernt ;D

 

Am 17.7.2020 um 21:43 schrieb McScratchy:

Die Ausarbeitung ist auch nicht von mir sondern von der Website kopiert.

Ich hatte das Buch gesehen und irgendwie voll überlesen, dass du das von der Webseite kopiert hast. :doh:

 

Bin aus Mainz, aber meine Armeen sind noch alle bei meinen Eltern (wo anders) irgendwo vergraben. Müsste ich mal schauen.

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Meine bunten Allgemeinprojekte: Avalus Armeen II (aktuell), Avalus Armeen I (Geschlossen)

Spezifische Armeeprojekte: Imperiale Armee Schnelle EingreiftruppeProjekt 500: Orks (Doch nicht im Warp Verschollen)

 

Beste Beschreibung meines Malstils:

"Einen Avalus bauen: Ein Modell kaufen und jede Farbe aus dem Mega-Paintset mal dran ausprobieren, 95% davon fuers Base." Garthor

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Ich schreibe mal hier auch noch rein, weil es der eigentlich relevante Thread dafür ist:

 

WAP hat böse Post von GW bekommen, was ein wenig eine Frage der Zeit war, weil es Artworks und Originaltexte verwendet. Der Brief ist vermutlich im Discord von denen nachzulesen und überall sonst, wo er repostet wurde. Übermorgen werden die Dokumente offline genommen und, wenn TOW flopt (oder eher „genug Bedarf für Alternativen lässt“), langfristig auf etwa die Form von WCE gebracht, soweit ich den aktuellen Plan verstehe.

(aktuell!) . . . . . . . . . . . .Gruftkönige von Cathay ← Meine Nicht-Khemris

(Letztes Update: August ’23) . . . . . . . . . . . .Die Gesellschaft der Drachen zu Karond-Kar ← Meine Dunkelelfen

(Letztes Update: Juni ’19) . . . . Rabenwacht – Veteranen- und Reservestreikräfte ← Oh ja, ich habe auch ein paar Space Marines

 

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