Baneblade, Apocalypse u.a.

[basic]

Wie soll eigentlich besagter Land Raider Terminus aussehen und bewaffnet sein? Wird es etwa eine Kriegsmaschine für Space Marines?

[DocZork]

Schade das es im Apocalypse Codex keine Regeln für Flieger gibt. Wer eigentlich auch mal was neues mit Jagdfliegern und Bombern aufs Schlachtfeld zu dürfen, würde vielleicht dem Spiel auch ganz gut tun. ;-) In Epic waren sie ja auch enthalten. Die Voransicht zum Baneblade aber sieht schon ma ganz gut aus.

soll doch sogar dabei sein

Der Codex deckt viele Gebiete ab, die bisher nur von Forgeworld behandelt wurden. So gibt es auf jeden Fall Regeln für superschwere Panzer, aber auch Regeln für Titanen und Flieger sowie passende Flugabwehr sind im Gespräch.

[segara]

ich habe heute den letzten Newsletter von FW erhalten, und mir gleich die Regeln für den Macharius und den Malacdor durchgelesen ... wenn die beiden für die neuen Punktekosten auch nur halbwegs representativ sind freu ich mich, denn dann sollte ein Baneblade irgendwas zwischen 350 und 400 Punkten statt den bisherigen 634 kosten.

der dritte Land Raider wird warscheinlich ein überschweres Fahrzeug, da die SMurfs ja auch was Großes brauchen, wenn die Impse, Chaoten und Orks den Baneblade bekommen. Titanen sind ja flufftechnisch eine eigene Armee, der Adeptus 'Vorsicht, Eisberg!' Titanicus.

[Desaster]

Gerüchteweise ist der LR Terminus eine Artillerie-Variante, die keine Transportkapazität mehr hat, dafür aber eine große böse Sperrfeuerwaffe.

[randis]

Ich hab auch mal irgendwo gelesen das die Tau mit Apocalypse einen HQ-Panzer bekommen sollen(mit Himmlischen?).

Hat da wer Infos?

[segara]

Land Raider Terminus soll ein Artillerie-Geschütz bekommen? Wofür haben die Jungs von FW den Land Raider Helios entwickelt? Der hat statt des schweren Bolters einen Whirlwind-Raketenwerfer auf dem Dach, dafür kann er nur 6 Leute transportieren. Und ein echtes Artillerie-Geschütz auf nem LR wäre ... un-SMurfig.

[Archaonix]

soll doch sogar dabei sein

Hey cool, hab ich wohl überlesen. Na dann wird der Codex auch für mich interessant werden!

[basic]

Moin Kinder. Ich kopiere hier jetzt einfach mal die Warseer-Zusammenfassung sowie die Bilder der neuen Modelle(einschließlich des neuen Baneblades) rein:

Apocalypse Rules:

TheOTHERmaninblack confirms Apocalypse is on the order form for an October release costing US$50

It is rumoured there will be a pre-release on GD UK

The basic premise is Rules for games of 3000+ points where the focus is on creating a narrative. Dosadi calls it "the polar opposite of tournament play"

Games will reportedly not use the FOC and possibly not Points limits (although the concept of 3000+ points games seems to contradict this rumour). Some insist points are still used and that a player with fewer points than their opponent can restore balance through using extra Strategic Assets (see below)

Some info is available in White Dwarf here

The article mentions formations and super-heavies by the name "datasheets"

Some say it’s a huge book (almost if not as big as the Rulebook), others say it’s as big as Cities of Death, whilst some have mentioned the possibility of multiple editions.

The US$50 price tag indicates a single large book.

Big Red says the new Apocalypse Templates will be released Oct 07 for US$22 (confirmed by TheOTHERmaninblack)

-10" circular blast template. Used by the Deathstrike Missile, Baneblade cannon and others.

-18" flamer template. N1AK says the big flamer template has all the smaller templates etched inside it

-linked ordinance or ”Cluster Bomb” template (like the old 2nd edition thudd gun template, but way bigger)

-large "petal" or "Orbital Bombardment" template (this may be the same as 10" circular blast template). N1AK claims the "Orbital Bombardment" template is a central blast surrounded by 4, slightly overlapping blasts. When you fire something that uses it you roll a D6, on a 1-4 it lands in a designated one of the 4 'outer' circles, one a 5-6 it lands in the centre circle.

-Vortex grenade marker. Apparently a 3d "globe" type affair with swirly vortex effects on it

Also released Oct 07 will be the mysterious (and exciting) Apocalypse Big Gun Dice for US$12(confirmed by TheOTHERmaninblack)

Strength “D” weapons

Some weapons will have the option of saying D (for death). Baleanoon tells us the description for Strength D reads something like:

"These weapons are so powerful that they require no dice rolling to wound, any model hit automatically dies, that’s right no armour saves, invulnerable saves, this weapon doesn't care about your dodge save or demonic powers."

Baleanoon also claims that one each of Warhound's and Stompa's weapons have Strength D.

The Vortex Grenade is also reportedly Strength D.

Some rules simplifications have been hinted at, such as any weapon of S7+ ignores armour saves entirely

Super-heavy rules

They will supposedly work almost exactly the same way as in the Forge World books, but:

-They “tend to explode in a more spectacular fashion”

-Structure Points may get a boost to make them "almost impervious to non-titan killer weapons"

-Dosadi tells us the Baneblade is 500 points and is a benchmark for every other super heavy. It’s 600 pts with the extra lascannon and TL heavy bolter sponsons, or you can leave them off for side AV14

-The Chaos Brass Scorpion has 12" assault and a 10 shot weapon in it’s tail

-The Plague Reaper for Nurgle is apparently a corrupted Baneblade with a somewhat phallic shaped cannon that discharges pus/poison

-Ork Skullburna can hold 30 infantry and is apparently a fast vehicle

-Ork Squiggoth will have rules

-Necron Pylon which is a D for DEATH class weapon--ignores armour and all saves etc.

Titans

The Warlord, Revenant and possibly others will supposedly see rules with Titan class weapons also supposedly getting a big boost in lethality.

Dosadi tells us the Warlord titan in and costs 2500 points!, adding that there is no Reaver in the book, just Warhound and Warlord.

Apparently if you get within 12" of a Warlord it can't shoot you, although it can step on you.

Iracundus says that Void shields now have an AV of their own and it's lower than 14, so lighter weaponry can at least strip shields

-Ork Stompa will have rules

It has been suggested that models will be forthcoming, but not until plastic technology catches up with requirements (ie a LONG way off)

Some say Fliers didn’t make the cut, whilst others insist they are in the book including the Thunderhawk, the Lightning and the Valkyrie and that they now do not leave the table.

The recent White Dwarf article seems to indicate that Fliers are indeed included.

AA options like the Hydra Flack Tanks and possibly others are supposedly in the book (although if flyers aren’t, it is logical that AA will be absent too)

There have been rumours of a new Land Raider variant called the Terminus which has four sets of twin-linked lascannons

There have been rumours of ally lists; ie SM & guard, Chaos & orks etc.

Some have suggested an Eye Of Terror style Order and Disorder division.

Apocalypse is to be ongoing, with new additional rules and models released through the stores, WD and the website. The website apparently is getting a £5 million facelift

Apocalypse Background:

Necrons reportedly get some nice background with Apocalypse, particularly stuff regarding silver, gold and platinum level lords and the way they fight. Basically they can download to new bodies at will. No in game effects, but nice background.

Strategic Assets:

Dosadi has this to say on Strategic Assets:

Originally Posted by Dosadi

Strategic Assets are the Strategems of Apocalypse, but they are so much more than just that. In fact, it's probably the most significant mechanic in the Apocalypse game. Some are played before deployment or at the begining of a turn or somewhere else during the game; like something you spring on your opponent at the right time. Some are like the old strategy cards from 2nd edition or the Random Events, Magic Items, & Dirty Tricks from Blood Bowl.

That's the first major difference between them and Strategems. The cool thing is you can still use Strategems as you could play CoD-Apocalypse game with parts of the table being urban CoD while other parts are typical 40k.

An Orbital Bombardment has been mentioned as a possible Strategic Asset and would use one of the new templates (although early rumours mentioned 6 linked Ordinance templates)

There are obviously some wargear-like Strategic Assets, as the Vortex Grenade is all but confirmed with the template being included in release lists.

Formations:

Taking “Formations” of units could reportedly provide in-game bonuses (some free, some paid for). For example:

Imperial Guard

- Ogryn Auxiliary: 3 squads of 5 Ogryns, giving the player a free command squad, and Commissars may be attached directly to the units.

-Emperor’s Fist Tank Company: 10 Leman Russ tanks earns you a command tank that helps to ignore crew shaken/stunned effects

-Emperor’s Wrath Artillery Company: Basilisks may have a spotter unit in a similar way to Marine Whirlwinds (see below). Which unit will be the spotter is unclear.

Necrons

-Necron Phalanx: 2 or more Necron monoliths generate a "Shadow Field" giving whatever is on the other side the line +1 to we'll be back rolls (Dosadi says it reduces the strength of shots through the field). Also no psychic powers can pass through the field.

(The Dude has hereby named this the “Stonehenge” formation)

Space Marines

-Suppression Force: SM Land Speeders can act as “spotters” for Whirlwinds, giving them unlimited range. It was originally rumoured that these Speeders would be unarmed, but this has been refuted, and they are supposedly regular Speeders with HB or MM.

-Space Marine Masters of the Chapter: Individual members supplying bonuses such as flanking manoeuvres etc.

-Space Marine Linebreaker: 3 vindicators in a unit allowing them to target the same point, using the 10 inch template.

Chaos

-Abbaddon may be able to take a very large Terminator retinue

-Tide of Spawn: 10 marines and 10 spawn. At a “dramatic moment” all 10 CSM become spawn.

Tau

-Tau may get a formation of one command unit, and body guard. 3 Crisis Suit units, and a number of Stealth Suits.

-Special Markerlight options for squadrons of 3 + hammerheads

Eldar

-Windrider Host: Autarch on Jetbike and 2 squads of Jetbikes and some Vypers. Can redeply once per game (not just at the start of the game) but can´t end up within 12" of ANY enemy

-Spirit Host: 1 spirit seer , 2-3 squads of wriathguard (not sure on size) and wraithlord. All units with 12" (of the Spirit Seer?) become fearless

-Cloudstrike Squadron: 3 Wave Serpents may combine their energy fields to reduce incoming fire to a maximum of S:7. Whilst some thought this was a similar field to the Necron “Stonehenge” ability, The Dude thinks the ability will apply only to shots aimed at the Serpents themselves.

-Aspect Warrior Assault Wave: Autarch, 3 wave serpents and 3 aspect warrior squads (one of which may be a Dire Avenger squad). Bonus unknown?

-Bonesinger may get rules

Dark Eldar

Ravager Titan Killer: 3 ravagers which and have access to a "shadow beam/wave/summat" weapon that if it hits negates void shields and holofields for subsequent weapon fire.

Orks

-Ork "Kult of Speed" similar to Eldar Windrider Host in that once during the game the entire formation (possibly 30 bikes) can redeploy to ANYWHERE on the board.

Tyranids

-Homaguants could possibly have a “Without number” rule with a "run out of ammo” rule to use against the other player.

These options might come in the form of stratagems

Models:

Bregalad has pulled the Apocalypse releases out of selfkonstrukt’s release schedule scan. All Prices are in US$.

Originally Posted by Bregalad

8th October

OGRYN BONE 'EAD $ 17.00

QGRYN $17.00

HOBBY APOCALYPSE BIG GUN DICE $72.00 (dealer pack?)

APOCALYSE TEMPLATES $22.00

APOCALYPSE VORTEX GRENADE TEMPLATE $10.00

URBAN ROADS $25.00

NECRON PHALANX(APOCALYPSE) $90.00

SPACE MARINE BATTLE COMPANY (APOCALYPSE) $ 450.00

APOCALYPSE (ENGLISH) $50.00

IMPERIAl.GUARD OGRYN AUXILIARY $90.00 (?) (direct only)

GAMER'S EDITION IMPER!AL GUARD BACKPACK 85.00 or 95.00

ELDAR SPIRIT HOST $125.00 (direct only)

APOCALYPSE DICE $12.00

15th October

COMMISAR $10.00

SPACE MARINE MASTERS OFTHE CHAPTER $35.00

IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE $95.00

EMPEROR'S FIST TANK COMPAN (APOCALYPSE) $275.00

SPACE MARINE LAND RAIDER TERMINUS PATTERN $5O.OO

SPACE MARINE SUPPRESSION FORCE (APOCALYPSE) $90,00

22nd October

NECRON LORD (WITH RESSURECTION ORB) $15.00

TAU ARMOURE INTERDICTION FORCE $90.00

CHAOS TIDE OF SPAWN(APOCALYPSE) $?

IMPERIAL GUARD LEMAN RUSS SOUADRON (APOCALYPSE) $90.00

ELDAR WINDRIDER HOST $125.00

ELDAR ASPECT WARRIOR ASAULT WAVE $ 125.00? (direct only)

TAU HUNTER CADRE $350.00? (direct only)

TYRANID MYCETIC ASSAULT SWARM $125.00 (direct only)

EMPEROR'S TALON RECON GROUP $125.00? (direct only)

29th October

ORK BIG MEK WITH SUPERSHOOTA $17.00

WARHAMMER 40k BASING KIT $20,00

IMPERIAL CITY $175.00

SPACE MARINE VETERANS MKII $30.00

ELDAR CLOUDSTRIKE SQUADRON $90.00

SPACE MARINE LINEBREAKER SQUADRON (APOCALYPSE) $?

TAU RAPID INSERTION FORCE (APOCALYPSE) $125.00

IMPERIAl GUARD BASILISK BATTERY (APOCALYPSE) $90.00

SPACE MARINE ARMOURED SPEARHEAD $175.00 (direct only)

ORK DRED MOB $175.00 (direct only)

TYRANID ENDLESS SWARM $175.00 (direct only)

DARK ELDAR RAVAGER TITAN HUNTERS $125.00 (direct only)

EMPERORS WRATH ARTILLERY COMPANY $300 00 (direct only)

31st December

APOCALYPSE WARGEAR $22

Baneblade:

Some say it is 1 inch larger than the FW one all round. Some say 1 inch smaller.

Reports tell of 3 additional variants:

- Different turret option (some say Yarrick’s personal Baneblade)

- Chaos (some say Nurgle specific)

- Ork

The hull has supposedly been designed with empty sections to make it easier to convert

Has been listed as US$95 for an October release

Ork Stompa

A large kit by Aly Morrison. Reportedly 8 Sprues

Supposedly put on hold until they can work out how to get it onto fewer sprues.

Drop Pods

The usual “problems in production” excuse. Expect to see as a later release maybe with the Blood Angels or Space Wolves Codex whenever they come.

Brimstone seems to think they will come with the next Cities of Death/Apocalypse style expansion.

Supposedly there are 3 options

- Standard

- Deathwind

- Dreadnought

Trygon

Not much known. A possible future release.

Brimstone has said it is more of a wish of GW's than an actual plan.

Valkyrie

A model was seen, but never intended for release. It was made to test the large model production systems.

It’s a possible future release if sales of other large models are good, as they already have it scanned into the computer.

Other Releases:

-Imperial Guard commissars (3 different poses) for an October release

-Imperial Guard Ogryn Although the model shown in the link is obviously a Bone ‘Ead, there are supposedly more than this coming in October.

-New Necron Lord with ressurrection orb. Listed as US$15

.

-New Space Marine Veterans. Listed as US$30 for an October release

-Ork Mek with Super Shoota

Space Marine Battle Company

Includes parts for the following:

- 6 Tactical squads

- 2 Assault Squads

- 2 Devastator Squads

- Command Squad

- Dreadnought

- Land Raider

- Predator

- "Extra stuff" like decals

comes in a big wooden crate

Possibility of a bigger, direct-only box containing the sprues for 400+ marines but with just the sprues.

And some rumoured (far) future releases:

-Eldar Revenant Titan

-Necron Pylon

-Thunderhawk

kopiert von: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88841

[Asuryan der Große]

OMFG...die Größe ist doch entscheidend. So Groß, so schön, ich will ihn.

"the polar opposite of tournament play"

Genau das habe ich die Tage noch gedacht. Kein rumwursteln und rumfrikeln wegen der Punkte, einfach Masse und rohe Gewalt.

Ach ja, oben auf dem Bild ist ja dieser Kreis mit dem Pfeil "<--Flieger?" aber das ist sicher die normale FW Walküre oder der Thunderbolt, man sieht ja auch einen Titanen. (Baneblade und Walküre währen einfach zuviel.)

@ Basic

Danke

[Abercr0mbie]

Wenn der Banebalde wirklich "nur" 80€ kostet leg ich ihn mir zu.

Ist ja fast schon billig für GW Verhältnisse...

Bin auch schon gespannt, was dann alles in den einzelnen Boxen drin sein wird

Z.B.

- GAMER'S EDITION IMPER!AL GUARD BACKPACK 85.00 or 95.00

Und ich hoffe ein Trygon wird auch bald produziert , dass wäre göttlich (A possible future release ist einfach zu lang ^^)

MfG Abercr0mbie

[Asuryan der Große]

GAMER'S EDITION IMPER!AL GUARD BACKPACK 85.00 or 95.00

Ist dieses "Gamers Edition" Zeugs nicht so etwas wie diese Taschen mit Regelbuch und Würfeln? Das gab es doch noch vor kurzem bei der Veröffentlichung von WH. Da waren Regelbuch (Hardcover) Regelheftchen, Schablonen und Würfel drin, ach ja und die Tasche.

[Mahud]

FW wird mit Sicherheit (Vorsicht: Eigene Meinug) Umrüstsätze für den BB rausbringen. Was glaubt Ihr denn wieviele sich den noch für über 200€ bestellen wird wenn man ihn für "nur" 80 Flocken um die Ecke kaufen kann?

[T.D.]

Ist es richtig oder habe ich Überlesen das ihr noch keine Bilder vom Banblade gesehen habt?

Wenn dem so ist kann ich euch mal welche morgen machen wenn ich in der Drakenburg bin, die haben denn da ausgestellt!

[madden]

Fotos? Ja ich bitte drum.

Würd mich gern mal selbst überzeugen in welchem Größen-und Detailgrad der im Kontrast zu FW und zu anderen GW Minis steht.

[basic]

Eine Siete vorher sind Bilder davon abgebildet;)

[Asuryan der Große]

@T.D.

Du darfst natürlich trozdem Fotos machen ,wenn die dich lassen.

[randis]

Zudem wirds einen Gussrahmen mit Fahrzeugausrüstung geben. Also mehrere Völker in einem Gussrahmen. Kann aber leider jetzt kein Bild zu posten.

Sieht aber alles nach "Sensoren" aus, wahrscheinlich eben für die erwähnten "Spotter"-Fahrzeuge.

Bei den Tau scheint man einfach ein "Hütchen" über die Rochenschnautze zu ziehen, bei den anderen siehts aber wirklich danach aus als würde man die Dinger rankleben müssen...

Chaos? z.B. bekommt einen speziellen Kopf mit Massen an Okularen dran,kann aber die Grösse nicht abschätzen... Dämonenprinz?

[Abercr0mbie]

Hier ein neuer Gußrahmen, glaube ist für Apocalypse.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93485

Müssten Teile für CSM, Imps, Eldar und Tau sein.

[Eomer]

Und? Wie siehts aus, T.D.? Hast du ein paar Bilder vom Baneblade machen dürfen?

[Sir Wulf]

Ooooooh man der Baneblade ist ja geil!!!Da freue ich mich richtig auf August(der kommt doch dann raus oder?).Noch mal irgendwas wegen dem neuen Regiment für die IA gehört?

[basic]

Der BB kommt erst im OKtober raus;)

[Sir Wulf]

Ach so.....egal,freu mich trotzdem!!!

[Abercr0mbie]

Noch mal irgendwas wegen dem neuen Regiment für die IA gehört?

Laut Gerüchten soll eins kommen.

Aber Todeskorps werden es wahrscheinlich nicht, da FW sonst weniger Absatz hätte.

Ich könnte mir aber durchaus vorstellen, dass es ein ähnliches Regiment wird, da die Soldaten einfach geil aussehen und guten Absatz bieten würden.

Zum Beispiel wäre die Stahllegion ziemlich geil.

Und wenn man mal die neuen Plastikbausätze sieht, kann man sich ja denken was GW da machen könnte.

MfG Abercr0mbie

[basic]

So, liebe Leuts:

S gibt n Haufen neuer Bilder, u.A. von den Apocalypse-Schablonen, dem neuen Vindicator und dem Baneblade mit einer scheinbar alternativen Waffe:

Ziehts euch rein.

[wemse]

Wie geil ist das denn!?!? Ich bin begeistert.

Vorallem der Rüucksack...hmm...gute Idee...wird zwar wieder teuer aber was soll es schon...mein Hobby und dafür geb ichs gerne.

Der Baneblade ist hammer. Und wenn ich mir das Bild von der Panzerkompanie rein ziehe...wow...die muss ich haben.

Das ist die Ideale erweiterung für meine Vostroyaner.